At what point did “gross” come to mean “disgusting”?



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The first time I heard "gross" being used to mean "disgusting" was probably around the late 1980s, and at the time I felt it was some sort of a corruption of "grotesque"...



I'm wondering if there is a longer history of this usage, or am I right in saying it stems from a more recent misuse?










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    Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
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    At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
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  • What is coarse is not fine, or refined.
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  • Isn't italian "brutto" a very close parallel here, especially since it is used to mean "gross" in accounting too?
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The first time I heard "gross" being used to mean "disgusting" was probably around the late 1980s, and at the time I felt it was some sort of a corruption of "grotesque"...



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    Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
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    At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
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I'm wondering if there is a longer history of this usage, or am I right in saying it stems from a more recent misuse?







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    Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
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    At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
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  • What is coarse is not fine, or refined.
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  • Isn't italian "brutto" a very close parallel here, especially since it is used to mean "gross" in accounting too?
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    Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
    – Hot Licks
    2 days ago






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    At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
    – Robusto
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  • What is coarse is not fine, or refined.
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    yesterday










  • Isn't italian "brutto" a very close parallel here, especially since it is used to mean "gross" in accounting too?
    – rackandboneman
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Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
– Hot Licks
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Ngram easily finds uses of "is gross" in this sense, going back to 1807, at least.
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At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
– Robusto
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At least since Shakespeare wrote these lines in Hamlet: "[The world is] an unweeded garden / That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature / Possess it merely."
– Robusto
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What is coarse is not fine, or refined.
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What is coarse is not fine, or refined.
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Isn't italian "brutto" a very close parallel here, especially since it is used to mean "gross" in accounting too?
– rackandboneman
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Isn't italian "brutto" a very close parallel here, especially since it is used to mean "gross" in accounting too?
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"Gross" dates back to at least the 1380s. The OED lists the following quote under the definition "Of conspicuous magnitude; palpable, striking; plain, evident, obvious, easy to apprehend or understand. Obsolete.":




Hoolynesse of lif techiþ rude men by groos ensaumple.
Wyclif's English works, c1380




The word came from the French word gros(se) meaning "big, thick, coarse" and ultimately dates back to the lat Latin word grossus meaning "thick". Several of the other early quotes use it to mean "big". It's also the same word as "gross" meaning 144 and in "gross domestic product".



The 1989 OED page for "gross" is available for free here with more information on the older history.



The sense you're referring to ("disgusting") isn't in the above 1989 version, but it's in the OED3 (behind a paywall). The earliest quote with this meaning is from 1959:




Terms expressing approval or disapproval are intelligible to the initiated only, for their real meaning is often dependent upon intonation. Great, the greatest, gross,..and tremendous are either complimentary or derogatory, depending upon how they are said.
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It's likely that it's related to the older sense of the word meaning "[r]ude, uninstructed, ignorant" or "[e]xtremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency".






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    I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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  • @SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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As explained in the following extract, the meaning of disgusting was not a big semantic jump from the original meaning and usage of gross. This connotation appears to have become popular as a slang term among teenagers in the ‘60s/‘70s, but its earliest usage appears to date from 1958:





  • Meaning "disgusting" is first recorded 1958 in U.S. student slang, from earlier use as an intensifier of unpleasant things ( gross stupidity , etc.) (Etymonline)



Gross:




The word gross has been in English for hundreds of years. We got it from French, where it means "big" or "fat." It took on a variety of senses in English related to size, including "coarse" (gross grains as opposed to fine), "strikingly obvious" (grosse as a mountaine), and "whole" (gross as opposed to net value). It also picked up negative senses like "vulgar," "crude" (Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes. Lubbers, knaues), or "ignorant" (a grosse unlettered people).



From there it’s not a big jump to the current sense of disgusting. There’s always been something repulsive, or at least unsavory, in the word gross.



Gross did not undergo a big change in meaning, but it did undergo a big change in context. In the late 20th century, young people started to use it a lot—like, a lot a lot. So much so that old people noticed it, and didn’t like it. As one critic said in a 1971 issue of The Saturday Review, “Gross has always meant something coarse and vulgar. But as used by the teens, it runs the gamut of awfulness from homework to something the cat contributed to ecology.” Gross became slang.




(mentalfloss.com)



Note also the usage of gross-out:




(slang)
something that is disgustingly offensive.



(First recorded in 1970–75; noun use of verb phrase gross out)




(Random House Unabridged Dictionary)



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Supplementary to this answer, and also that of @Laurel, reproduced below is sense 15 of the adjective gross per the current online edition of the OED. Clearly the "student slang" to which Etymoline refers is closely related here.



The current online edition of the OED includes the following - to which the "student slang"




15. Extremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency.



a. of persons. 


?1533 G. Du Wes Introductorie for to lerne Frenche sig. Sii Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes..Lubbers,
knaues.



1667 Milton Paradise Lost i. 491 Belial..then whom a Spirit more
lewd Fell not from Heaven, or more gross to love Vice for it self.



1693 Dryden tr. Juvenal Satires vi. 122 Agamemnon's Wife Was a
gross Butcher, with a bloody Knife.



1772 E. Burke Corr. (1844) I. 402 The Turks..grow more gross in
the very native soil of civility and refinement.



1881 Evans in Sp. Com. 1 Cor. Introd. 239 Society of high culture,
but in morals lax, even gross. absolute.



b. of habits, language, pleasures, etc.


1598 Shakespeare Love's Labour's Lost i. i. 29 The grosser manner
of these worldes delyghts: He throwes vppon the grosse worlds baser
slaues.



1725 D. Defoe New Voy. round World i. 169 The Motive of their
Adoration being that of meer Terror, they have certainly gross Ideas.



1791 J. Boswell Life Johnson anno 1749 I. 103 [Paraphrasing
Johnson:] Some of them [sc. Juvenal's Satires]..were too gross for
imitation.



1877 ‘Rita’ Vivienne i. i. 15 Of life in its grosser, harsher
phases Albert knew scarce anything.







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    I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
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  • Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
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Gross appears to be word of Germanic origin. It appears not in classical Latin but in late Latin / early medieval Latin, when the Roman Empire relied heavily on foreign troops, many of them speaking early forms of German. Once it was absorbed in late Latin, it spread into Italian (grosso) and French (gros / grosse). In Dutch it became "groot".



In German, 'gross' simply means big but is used extensively in compound words from 1) Großvieh (big cattle), Grossmutter (grandmother) to Groß-Berlin (greater metropolitan area of Berlin). As it is and was used so often, it acquired all kinds of shadings from neutral (Grossmast, the tallest mast on a sailing ship) to positive (Großbild, a big-screen television) to negative (Großtuer, an arrogant, pompous person). The negative connotation encompasses things that are scarily, off-puttingly big. In German, however, to express disgust, "widerlich" or "ekelhaft" are usually employed, either alone or in combination with gross: "Das ist widerlich gross!"



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    Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
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  • Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
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  • When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
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    Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
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  • In German, groß has no negative connotation.
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In Chapter 1 of the Lord of the Rings ("A Long-Expected Party"), Bilbo offends some of the guests by noting there were 144 guests, which exactly matched the sum of his and Frodo's ages: "One Gross, if I may use the expression". Tolkien suggests that the insult may have been deliberate in the some cases, e.g. the Sackville-Bagginses. So I think it is safe to say that gross wasn't considered complimentary in 1954.






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    Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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  • It wasn't complementary because it was like ordering in bulk, like produce, instead of inviting individually for their personal merits.
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"Gross" dates back to at least the 1380s. The OED lists the following quote under the definition "Of conspicuous magnitude; palpable, striking; plain, evident, obvious, easy to apprehend or understand. Obsolete.":




Hoolynesse of lif techiþ rude men by groos ensaumple.
Wyclif's English works, c1380




The word came from the French word gros(se) meaning "big, thick, coarse" and ultimately dates back to the lat Latin word grossus meaning "thick". Several of the other early quotes use it to mean "big". It's also the same word as "gross" meaning 144 and in "gross domestic product".



The 1989 OED page for "gross" is available for free here with more information on the older history.



The sense you're referring to ("disgusting") isn't in the above 1989 version, but it's in the OED3 (behind a paywall). The earliest quote with this meaning is from 1959:




Terms expressing approval or disapproval are intelligible to the initiated only, for their real meaning is often dependent upon intonation. Great, the greatest, gross,..and tremendous are either complimentary or derogatory, depending upon how they are said.
American Speech




It's likely that it's related to the older sense of the word meaning "[r]ude, uninstructed, ignorant" or "[e]xtremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency".






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    I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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  • @SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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"Gross" dates back to at least the 1380s. The OED lists the following quote under the definition "Of conspicuous magnitude; palpable, striking; plain, evident, obvious, easy to apprehend or understand. Obsolete.":




Hoolynesse of lif techiþ rude men by groos ensaumple.
Wyclif's English works, c1380




The word came from the French word gros(se) meaning "big, thick, coarse" and ultimately dates back to the lat Latin word grossus meaning "thick". Several of the other early quotes use it to mean "big". It's also the same word as "gross" meaning 144 and in "gross domestic product".



The 1989 OED page for "gross" is available for free here with more information on the older history.



The sense you're referring to ("disgusting") isn't in the above 1989 version, but it's in the OED3 (behind a paywall). The earliest quote with this meaning is from 1959:




Terms expressing approval or disapproval are intelligible to the initiated only, for their real meaning is often dependent upon intonation. Great, the greatest, gross,..and tremendous are either complimentary or derogatory, depending upon how they are said.
American Speech




It's likely that it's related to the older sense of the word meaning "[r]ude, uninstructed, ignorant" or "[e]xtremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency".






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    I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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  • @SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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  • Your first several paragraphs don't really have anything to do with the OP's question. I recommend removing them.
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"Gross" dates back to at least the 1380s. The OED lists the following quote under the definition "Of conspicuous magnitude; palpable, striking; plain, evident, obvious, easy to apprehend or understand. Obsolete.":




Hoolynesse of lif techiþ rude men by groos ensaumple.
Wyclif's English works, c1380




The word came from the French word gros(se) meaning "big, thick, coarse" and ultimately dates back to the lat Latin word grossus meaning "thick". Several of the other early quotes use it to mean "big". It's also the same word as "gross" meaning 144 and in "gross domestic product".



The 1989 OED page for "gross" is available for free here with more information on the older history.



The sense you're referring to ("disgusting") isn't in the above 1989 version, but it's in the OED3 (behind a paywall). The earliest quote with this meaning is from 1959:




Terms expressing approval or disapproval are intelligible to the initiated only, for their real meaning is often dependent upon intonation. Great, the greatest, gross,..and tremendous are either complimentary or derogatory, depending upon how they are said.
American Speech




It's likely that it's related to the older sense of the word meaning "[r]ude, uninstructed, ignorant" or "[e]xtremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency".






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"Gross" dates back to at least the 1380s. The OED lists the following quote under the definition "Of conspicuous magnitude; palpable, striking; plain, evident, obvious, easy to apprehend or understand. Obsolete.":




Hoolynesse of lif techiþ rude men by groos ensaumple.
Wyclif's English works, c1380




The word came from the French word gros(se) meaning "big, thick, coarse" and ultimately dates back to the lat Latin word grossus meaning "thick". Several of the other early quotes use it to mean "big". It's also the same word as "gross" meaning 144 and in "gross domestic product".



The 1989 OED page for "gross" is available for free here with more information on the older history.



The sense you're referring to ("disgusting") isn't in the above 1989 version, but it's in the OED3 (behind a paywall). The earliest quote with this meaning is from 1959:




Terms expressing approval or disapproval are intelligible to the initiated only, for their real meaning is often dependent upon intonation. Great, the greatest, gross,..and tremendous are either complimentary or derogatory, depending upon how they are said.
American Speech




It's likely that it's related to the older sense of the word meaning "[r]ude, uninstructed, ignorant" or "[e]xtremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency".







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    I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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  • @SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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  • Your first several paragraphs don't really have anything to do with the OP's question. I recommend removing them.
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    I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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  • @SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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  • Your first several paragraphs don't really have anything to do with the OP's question. I recommend removing them.
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I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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I'm not sure that 1959 quote really is using gross as "disgusting". The other words in that list (great, greatest, tremendous) have no inherent pejorative meaning whatsoever, they only take that meaning when said in a sarcastic manner. Any word with positive connotation can become negative when said sarcastically, so I don't see that as evidence that gross has an inherent derogatory meaning there.
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@SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
– Laurel
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@SolomonSlow The 1380 quote is for a different sense meaning "striking". You can see the full definition for the word from the OED above the quote.
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Your first several paragraphs don't really have anything to do with the OP's question. I recommend removing them.
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Your first several paragraphs don't really have anything to do with the OP's question. I recommend removing them.
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As explained in the following extract, the meaning of disgusting was not a big semantic jump from the original meaning and usage of gross. This connotation appears to have become popular as a slang term among teenagers in the ‘60s/‘70s, but its earliest usage appears to date from 1958:





  • Meaning "disgusting" is first recorded 1958 in U.S. student slang, from earlier use as an intensifier of unpleasant things ( gross stupidity , etc.) (Etymonline)



Gross:




The word gross has been in English for hundreds of years. We got it from French, where it means "big" or "fat." It took on a variety of senses in English related to size, including "coarse" (gross grains as opposed to fine), "strikingly obvious" (grosse as a mountaine), and "whole" (gross as opposed to net value). It also picked up negative senses like "vulgar," "crude" (Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes. Lubbers, knaues), or "ignorant" (a grosse unlettered people).



From there it’s not a big jump to the current sense of disgusting. There’s always been something repulsive, or at least unsavory, in the word gross.



Gross did not undergo a big change in meaning, but it did undergo a big change in context. In the late 20th century, young people started to use it a lot—like, a lot a lot. So much so that old people noticed it, and didn’t like it. As one critic said in a 1971 issue of The Saturday Review, “Gross has always meant something coarse and vulgar. But as used by the teens, it runs the gamut of awfulness from homework to something the cat contributed to ecology.” Gross became slang.




(mentalfloss.com)



Note also the usage of gross-out:




(slang)
something that is disgustingly offensive.



(First recorded in 1970–75; noun use of verb phrase gross out)




(Random House Unabridged Dictionary)



Edit by WS2:



Supplementary to this answer, and also that of @Laurel, reproduced below is sense 15 of the adjective gross per the current online edition of the OED. Clearly the "student slang" to which Etymoline refers is closely related here.



The current online edition of the OED includes the following - to which the "student slang"




15. Extremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency.



a. of persons. 


?1533 G. Du Wes Introductorie for to lerne Frenche sig. Sii Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes..Lubbers,
knaues.



1667 Milton Paradise Lost i. 491 Belial..then whom a Spirit more
lewd Fell not from Heaven, or more gross to love Vice for it self.



1693 Dryden tr. Juvenal Satires vi. 122 Agamemnon's Wife Was a
gross Butcher, with a bloody Knife.



1772 E. Burke Corr. (1844) I. 402 The Turks..grow more gross in
the very native soil of civility and refinement.



1881 Evans in Sp. Com. 1 Cor. Introd. 239 Society of high culture,
but in morals lax, even gross. absolute.



b. of habits, language, pleasures, etc.


1598 Shakespeare Love's Labour's Lost i. i. 29 The grosser manner
of these worldes delyghts: He throwes vppon the grosse worlds baser
slaues.



1725 D. Defoe New Voy. round World i. 169 The Motive of their
Adoration being that of meer Terror, they have certainly gross Ideas.



1791 J. Boswell Life Johnson anno 1749 I. 103 [Paraphrasing
Johnson:] Some of them [sc. Juvenal's Satires]..were too gross for
imitation.



1877 ‘Rita’ Vivienne i. i. 15 Of life in its grosser, harsher
phases Albert knew scarce anything.







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    I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
    – Barmar
    2 days ago










  • Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
    – bubba
    12 hours ago















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As explained in the following extract, the meaning of disgusting was not a big semantic jump from the original meaning and usage of gross. This connotation appears to have become popular as a slang term among teenagers in the ‘60s/‘70s, but its earliest usage appears to date from 1958:





  • Meaning "disgusting" is first recorded 1958 in U.S. student slang, from earlier use as an intensifier of unpleasant things ( gross stupidity , etc.) (Etymonline)



Gross:




The word gross has been in English for hundreds of years. We got it from French, where it means "big" or "fat." It took on a variety of senses in English related to size, including "coarse" (gross grains as opposed to fine), "strikingly obvious" (grosse as a mountaine), and "whole" (gross as opposed to net value). It also picked up negative senses like "vulgar," "crude" (Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes. Lubbers, knaues), or "ignorant" (a grosse unlettered people).



From there it’s not a big jump to the current sense of disgusting. There’s always been something repulsive, or at least unsavory, in the word gross.



Gross did not undergo a big change in meaning, but it did undergo a big change in context. In the late 20th century, young people started to use it a lot—like, a lot a lot. So much so that old people noticed it, and didn’t like it. As one critic said in a 1971 issue of The Saturday Review, “Gross has always meant something coarse and vulgar. But as used by the teens, it runs the gamut of awfulness from homework to something the cat contributed to ecology.” Gross became slang.




(mentalfloss.com)



Note also the usage of gross-out:




(slang)
something that is disgustingly offensive.



(First recorded in 1970–75; noun use of verb phrase gross out)




(Random House Unabridged Dictionary)



Edit by WS2:



Supplementary to this answer, and also that of @Laurel, reproduced below is sense 15 of the adjective gross per the current online edition of the OED. Clearly the "student slang" to which Etymoline refers is closely related here.



The current online edition of the OED includes the following - to which the "student slang"




15. Extremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency.



a. of persons. 


?1533 G. Du Wes Introductorie for to lerne Frenche sig. Sii Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes..Lubbers,
knaues.



1667 Milton Paradise Lost i. 491 Belial..then whom a Spirit more
lewd Fell not from Heaven, or more gross to love Vice for it self.



1693 Dryden tr. Juvenal Satires vi. 122 Agamemnon's Wife Was a
gross Butcher, with a bloody Knife.



1772 E. Burke Corr. (1844) I. 402 The Turks..grow more gross in
the very native soil of civility and refinement.



1881 Evans in Sp. Com. 1 Cor. Introd. 239 Society of high culture,
but in morals lax, even gross. absolute.



b. of habits, language, pleasures, etc.


1598 Shakespeare Love's Labour's Lost i. i. 29 The grosser manner
of these worldes delyghts: He throwes vppon the grosse worlds baser
slaues.



1725 D. Defoe New Voy. round World i. 169 The Motive of their
Adoration being that of meer Terror, they have certainly gross Ideas.



1791 J. Boswell Life Johnson anno 1749 I. 103 [Paraphrasing
Johnson:] Some of them [sc. Juvenal's Satires]..were too gross for
imitation.



1877 ‘Rita’ Vivienne i. i. 15 Of life in its grosser, harsher
phases Albert knew scarce anything.







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    I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
    – Barmar
    2 days ago










  • Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
    – bubba
    12 hours ago













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As explained in the following extract, the meaning of disgusting was not a big semantic jump from the original meaning and usage of gross. This connotation appears to have become popular as a slang term among teenagers in the ‘60s/‘70s, but its earliest usage appears to date from 1958:





  • Meaning "disgusting" is first recorded 1958 in U.S. student slang, from earlier use as an intensifier of unpleasant things ( gross stupidity , etc.) (Etymonline)



Gross:




The word gross has been in English for hundreds of years. We got it from French, where it means "big" or "fat." It took on a variety of senses in English related to size, including "coarse" (gross grains as opposed to fine), "strikingly obvious" (grosse as a mountaine), and "whole" (gross as opposed to net value). It also picked up negative senses like "vulgar," "crude" (Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes. Lubbers, knaues), or "ignorant" (a grosse unlettered people).



From there it’s not a big jump to the current sense of disgusting. There’s always been something repulsive, or at least unsavory, in the word gross.



Gross did not undergo a big change in meaning, but it did undergo a big change in context. In the late 20th century, young people started to use it a lot—like, a lot a lot. So much so that old people noticed it, and didn’t like it. As one critic said in a 1971 issue of The Saturday Review, “Gross has always meant something coarse and vulgar. But as used by the teens, it runs the gamut of awfulness from homework to something the cat contributed to ecology.” Gross became slang.




(mentalfloss.com)



Note also the usage of gross-out:




(slang)
something that is disgustingly offensive.



(First recorded in 1970–75; noun use of verb phrase gross out)




(Random House Unabridged Dictionary)



Edit by WS2:



Supplementary to this answer, and also that of @Laurel, reproduced below is sense 15 of the adjective gross per the current online edition of the OED. Clearly the "student slang" to which Etymoline refers is closely related here.



The current online edition of the OED includes the following - to which the "student slang"




15. Extremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency.



a. of persons. 


?1533 G. Du Wes Introductorie for to lerne Frenche sig. Sii Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes..Lubbers,
knaues.



1667 Milton Paradise Lost i. 491 Belial..then whom a Spirit more
lewd Fell not from Heaven, or more gross to love Vice for it self.



1693 Dryden tr. Juvenal Satires vi. 122 Agamemnon's Wife Was a
gross Butcher, with a bloody Knife.



1772 E. Burke Corr. (1844) I. 402 The Turks..grow more gross in
the very native soil of civility and refinement.



1881 Evans in Sp. Com. 1 Cor. Introd. 239 Society of high culture,
but in morals lax, even gross. absolute.



b. of habits, language, pleasures, etc.


1598 Shakespeare Love's Labour's Lost i. i. 29 The grosser manner
of these worldes delyghts: He throwes vppon the grosse worlds baser
slaues.



1725 D. Defoe New Voy. round World i. 169 The Motive of their
Adoration being that of meer Terror, they have certainly gross Ideas.



1791 J. Boswell Life Johnson anno 1749 I. 103 [Paraphrasing
Johnson:] Some of them [sc. Juvenal's Satires]..were too gross for
imitation.



1877 ‘Rita’ Vivienne i. i. 15 Of life in its grosser, harsher
phases Albert knew scarce anything.







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As explained in the following extract, the meaning of disgusting was not a big semantic jump from the original meaning and usage of gross. This connotation appears to have become popular as a slang term among teenagers in the ‘60s/‘70s, but its earliest usage appears to date from 1958:





  • Meaning "disgusting" is first recorded 1958 in U.S. student slang, from earlier use as an intensifier of unpleasant things ( gross stupidity , etc.) (Etymonline)



Gross:




The word gross has been in English for hundreds of years. We got it from French, where it means "big" or "fat." It took on a variety of senses in English related to size, including "coarse" (gross grains as opposed to fine), "strikingly obvious" (grosse as a mountaine), and "whole" (gross as opposed to net value). It also picked up negative senses like "vulgar," "crude" (Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes. Lubbers, knaues), or "ignorant" (a grosse unlettered people).



From there it’s not a big jump to the current sense of disgusting. There’s always been something repulsive, or at least unsavory, in the word gross.



Gross did not undergo a big change in meaning, but it did undergo a big change in context. In the late 20th century, young people started to use it a lot—like, a lot a lot. So much so that old people noticed it, and didn’t like it. As one critic said in a 1971 issue of The Saturday Review, “Gross has always meant something coarse and vulgar. But as used by the teens, it runs the gamut of awfulness from homework to something the cat contributed to ecology.” Gross became slang.




(mentalfloss.com)



Note also the usage of gross-out:




(slang)
something that is disgustingly offensive.



(First recorded in 1970–75; noun use of verb phrase gross out)




(Random House Unabridged Dictionary)



Edit by WS2:



Supplementary to this answer, and also that of @Laurel, reproduced below is sense 15 of the adjective gross per the current online edition of the OED. Clearly the "student slang" to which Etymoline refers is closely related here.



The current online edition of the OED includes the following - to which the "student slang"




15. Extremely coarse in behaviour or morals; brutally lacking in refinement or decency.



a. of persons. 


?1533 G. Du Wes Introductorie for to lerne Frenche sig. Sii Grose folke of rude affection Dronkerdes..Lubbers,
knaues.



1667 Milton Paradise Lost i. 491 Belial..then whom a Spirit more
lewd Fell not from Heaven, or more gross to love Vice for it self.



1693 Dryden tr. Juvenal Satires vi. 122 Agamemnon's Wife Was a
gross Butcher, with a bloody Knife.



1772 E. Burke Corr. (1844) I. 402 The Turks..grow more gross in
the very native soil of civility and refinement.



1881 Evans in Sp. Com. 1 Cor. Introd. 239 Society of high culture,
but in morals lax, even gross. absolute.



b. of habits, language, pleasures, etc.


1598 Shakespeare Love's Labour's Lost i. i. 29 The grosser manner
of these worldes delyghts: He throwes vppon the grosse worlds baser
slaues.



1725 D. Defoe New Voy. round World i. 169 The Motive of their
Adoration being that of meer Terror, they have certainly gross Ideas.



1791 J. Boswell Life Johnson anno 1749 I. 103 [Paraphrasing
Johnson:] Some of them [sc. Juvenal's Satires]..were too gross for
imitation.



1877 ‘Rita’ Vivienne i. i. 15 Of life in its grosser, harsher
phases Albert knew scarce anything.








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    I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
    – Barmar
    2 days ago










  • Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
    – bubba
    12 hours ago













  • 1




    I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
    – Barmar
    2 days ago










  • Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
    – bubba
    12 hours ago








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1




I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
– Barmar
2 days ago




I could be wrong, but I associate the slang use in the 70's with Valley Girl language.
– Barmar
2 days ago












Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
– bubba
12 hours ago





Valley Girl lingo also includes "grotty" (not sure of the spelling), as in "grotty to the max". That probably is a contraction of "grotesque".
– bubba
12 hours ago











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Gross appears to be word of Germanic origin. It appears not in classical Latin but in late Latin / early medieval Latin, when the Roman Empire relied heavily on foreign troops, many of them speaking early forms of German. Once it was absorbed in late Latin, it spread into Italian (grosso) and French (gros / grosse). In Dutch it became "groot".



In German, 'gross' simply means big but is used extensively in compound words from 1) Großvieh (big cattle), Grossmutter (grandmother) to Groß-Berlin (greater metropolitan area of Berlin). As it is and was used so often, it acquired all kinds of shadings from neutral (Grossmast, the tallest mast on a sailing ship) to positive (Großbild, a big-screen television) to negative (Großtuer, an arrogant, pompous person). The negative connotation encompasses things that are scarily, off-puttingly big. In German, however, to express disgust, "widerlich" or "ekelhaft" are usually employed, either alone or in combination with gross: "Das ist widerlich gross!"



1) https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/gross?page=1






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    Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
    – Gio
    2 days ago











  • Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
    – Elise van Looij
    2 days ago










  • When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago






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    Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
    – ttw
    yesterday










  • In German, groß has no negative connotation.
    – Carsten S
    yesterday














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Gross appears to be word of Germanic origin. It appears not in classical Latin but in late Latin / early medieval Latin, when the Roman Empire relied heavily on foreign troops, many of them speaking early forms of German. Once it was absorbed in late Latin, it spread into Italian (grosso) and French (gros / grosse). In Dutch it became "groot".



In German, 'gross' simply means big but is used extensively in compound words from 1) Großvieh (big cattle), Grossmutter (grandmother) to Groß-Berlin (greater metropolitan area of Berlin). As it is and was used so often, it acquired all kinds of shadings from neutral (Grossmast, the tallest mast on a sailing ship) to positive (Großbild, a big-screen television) to negative (Großtuer, an arrogant, pompous person). The negative connotation encompasses things that are scarily, off-puttingly big. In German, however, to express disgust, "widerlich" or "ekelhaft" are usually employed, either alone or in combination with gross: "Das ist widerlich gross!"



1) https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/gross?page=1






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    Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
    – Gio
    2 days ago











  • Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
    – Elise van Looij
    2 days ago










  • When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago






  • 1




    Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
    – ttw
    yesterday










  • In German, groß has no negative connotation.
    – Carsten S
    yesterday












up vote
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up vote
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Gross appears to be word of Germanic origin. It appears not in classical Latin but in late Latin / early medieval Latin, when the Roman Empire relied heavily on foreign troops, many of them speaking early forms of German. Once it was absorbed in late Latin, it spread into Italian (grosso) and French (gros / grosse). In Dutch it became "groot".



In German, 'gross' simply means big but is used extensively in compound words from 1) Großvieh (big cattle), Grossmutter (grandmother) to Groß-Berlin (greater metropolitan area of Berlin). As it is and was used so often, it acquired all kinds of shadings from neutral (Grossmast, the tallest mast on a sailing ship) to positive (Großbild, a big-screen television) to negative (Großtuer, an arrogant, pompous person). The negative connotation encompasses things that are scarily, off-puttingly big. In German, however, to express disgust, "widerlich" or "ekelhaft" are usually employed, either alone or in combination with gross: "Das ist widerlich gross!"



1) https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/gross?page=1






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Gross appears to be word of Germanic origin. It appears not in classical Latin but in late Latin / early medieval Latin, when the Roman Empire relied heavily on foreign troops, many of them speaking early forms of German. Once it was absorbed in late Latin, it spread into Italian (grosso) and French (gros / grosse). In Dutch it became "groot".



In German, 'gross' simply means big but is used extensively in compound words from 1) Großvieh (big cattle), Grossmutter (grandmother) to Groß-Berlin (greater metropolitan area of Berlin). As it is and was used so often, it acquired all kinds of shadings from neutral (Grossmast, the tallest mast on a sailing ship) to positive (Großbild, a big-screen television) to negative (Großtuer, an arrogant, pompous person). The negative connotation encompasses things that are scarily, off-puttingly big. In German, however, to express disgust, "widerlich" or "ekelhaft" are usually employed, either alone or in combination with gross: "Das ist widerlich gross!"



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    Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
    – Gio
    2 days ago











  • Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
    – Elise van Looij
    2 days ago










  • When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago






  • 1




    Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
    – ttw
    yesterday










  • In German, groß has no negative connotation.
    – Carsten S
    yesterday












  • 3




    Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
    – Gio
    2 days ago











  • Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
    – Elise van Looij
    2 days ago










  • When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago






  • 1




    Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
    – ttw
    yesterday










  • In German, groß has no negative connotation.
    – Carsten S
    yesterday







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Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
– Gio
2 days ago





Ok but the question is about English usage, not German. So when did gross start to be used to mean “disgusting” in English?
– Gio
2 days ago













Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
– Elise van Looij
2 days ago




Good point, to which I have no answer yet -- I might have to delete
– Elise van Looij
2 days ago












When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
– Robbie Goodwin
2 days ago




When, I know not but medical students study "gross anatomy" which to the uninitiated is not significantly different from any other kind of "anatomy"… leaving "gross" looking for a meaning. "gross" there really means "on the large scale" or "in general" or even just "broadly"… and not to Mr Average. After getting used to dissecting bodies and slicing organs, the medics give it few further thoughts but until then, they physically shiver when they think thoughts such as "Uugh! Gross anatomy" and first in thought and then in speech they shorten that to "Uugh! Gross!"
– Robbie Goodwin
2 days ago




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Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
– ttw
yesterday




Or on a different note, we used to joke that one should not use the number 288 in a poster presentation.
– ttw
yesterday












In German, groß has no negative connotation.
– Carsten S
yesterday




In German, groß has no negative connotation.
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yesterday










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In Chapter 1 of the Lord of the Rings ("A Long-Expected Party"), Bilbo offends some of the guests by noting there were 144 guests, which exactly matched the sum of his and Frodo's ages: "One Gross, if I may use the expression". Tolkien suggests that the insult may have been deliberate in the some cases, e.g. the Sackville-Bagginses. So I think it is safe to say that gross wasn't considered complimentary in 1954.






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    Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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In Chapter 1 of the Lord of the Rings ("A Long-Expected Party"), Bilbo offends some of the guests by noting there were 144 guests, which exactly matched the sum of his and Frodo's ages: "One Gross, if I may use the expression". Tolkien suggests that the insult may have been deliberate in the some cases, e.g. the Sackville-Bagginses. So I think it is safe to say that gross wasn't considered complimentary in 1954.






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    Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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In Chapter 1 of the Lord of the Rings ("A Long-Expected Party"), Bilbo offends some of the guests by noting there were 144 guests, which exactly matched the sum of his and Frodo's ages: "One Gross, if I may use the expression". Tolkien suggests that the insult may have been deliberate in the some cases, e.g. the Sackville-Bagginses. So I think it is safe to say that gross wasn't considered complimentary in 1954.






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In Chapter 1 of the Lord of the Rings ("A Long-Expected Party"), Bilbo offends some of the guests by noting there were 144 guests, which exactly matched the sum of his and Frodo's ages: "One Gross, if I may use the expression". Tolkien suggests that the insult may have been deliberate in the some cases, e.g. the Sackville-Bagginses. So I think it is safe to say that gross wasn't considered complimentary in 1954.







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    Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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  • It wasn't complementary because it was like ordering in bulk, like produce, instead of inviting individually for their personal merits.
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    Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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  • It wasn't complementary because it was like ordering in bulk, like produce, instead of inviting individually for their personal merits.
    – ChrisW
    10 hours ago







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Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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Hi Simon, welcome to our site. It's important to read the other answers before contributing your own. This answer comprehensively establishes that gross "wasn't considered complimentary" several hundred years before LOTR. I'm downvoting your answer simply because, as the downvote guidance says, "this answer isn't useful". You can always delete an answer if you wish to avoid downvotes. For further guidance, see How to Answer. I encourage you to look for new questions to answer, and I also recommend taking the Tour :-)
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